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Karl's avatar

I can’t help but chuckle. Oren advances high brow theories on how the economy is going swimmingly due to Don’s deft manipulation, while every day in the real world we watch the aging leader of his movement sink further into incoherence. Does no one actually read his daily bleats, or listen to his rambling diatribes? One cannot listen to these incoherent rants and believe he’s orchestrating a strategy. So, in the real world, the approval ratings of the leader of the “new” right continue to plummet. His numbers on the economy have even sunk lower than Joepa’s, his fellow aging octogenarian…

Seems to me Don spends more time corralling corrupt crypto loot, plastering his name on things, toying with taco tariffs, starting Middle East wars, alienating allies, and chasing our non-criminal brown neighbors than he does implementing actual long term economic policy.

It’s not easy putting lipstick on this pig, but Oren sure has his shoulder to the wheel. Meanwhile, enjoy the record deficits, the measles outbreaks, and the never ending war.

Richard's avatar

Carney is nominally Canadian but really he is a stateless globalist. Central banker in two different countries says it all. He was electorally successful because Canada isn't a real country. Their defining principle is "not the US".

Karl's avatar

I understand it’s hard to watch an intelligent, normal, statesman who can actually assemble complete sentences humiliate our aged, incoherent prez on the world stage, especially when he only won because Don intervened against him in his campaign. Meanwhile, the United States offers Lake America as Don flails with his taco tariff charade… Makin us proud as he emulates a twelve year old.

But “not a real country” belies knowledge of Canada’s history of fighting shoulder to shoulder with us. Ya might wanna use that google thingy.

Zek's avatar
Aug 29Edited

I'm not sure I agree with him, but Richard made the claim that Canada is not a country, but simply a place that defines itself as not the US.

You defended Prime Minister Carney by pointing out that he is not President Trump.

Aren't you making Richard's point for him?

Karl's avatar

Not a country? How condescending. I defended Canada by pointing out the many sacrifices our Five Eyes ally has endured fighting side by side with us over many decades. Belittling a proud nation isn't appropriate, though it is in character with Don's schoolyard bullying tactics. I see Carney as merely normal, the kind of leader one typically sees on the world stage. The kind of leader we used to have, in both parties. My point in bringing up Don was to muse that perhaps it's Richard's embarrassment over Don that leads him to take it out on Canada.

Dave's avatar

I am simply amazed that the administration has been completely unable to explain the Canadian tariff dispute to the American people. They need to pick an articulate spokesperson (obviously not the president) to do that job and have at it. So far they have failed miserably because they have not even tried.

Daniel Archer's avatar

To the extent that any administration could explain the need to reset our trade relationship across the globe, including with our closest neighbors, Trump's administration has been doing a pretty good job. This is more a case of the mainstream media, bought and paid for by a surprisingly small number of interconnected wealth, refuses to admit much less focus on the many failures of globalization.

The list is long and includes things like how across the western world, including Canada, we increasingly lack the resources needed to even maintain our current defenses much less surge production of even basic things like artillery shells. That's before you wake up to fact that our more advanced weapons are now reliant on materials that are only sourced in China.

The one that stands out the most for me is how during Covid, it came out that 90% of the world's supply of disposable gloves came from Indonesia. Let that one sink in. Not America's but 90% of the world's supply of this essential item needed for modern medicine and manufacturing come from one country that is racked by corruption, increasingly in debt to China, and has a long history of violent volcanic activity.

I was actually stunned that we didn't create a list of essential materials and products, then work with Canada and Mexico to get an agreement on how we were collectively going to change our trade policies to insure the items on that list were sourced and made in North America. I expected to see something very similar happen over in the EU.

It seemed to me that this would be one of those rare issues, the need to create geographical redundancy for at least medical supplies, that would not only cross over partisan politics but even to a large extent international politics as well. Even in Asia, other then China, surely they could see the need to create some redundancy so that a regional crisis wouldn't see them cut off from being able to get medical supplies from abroad. Yet nothing of the sort came to pass.

That's when I realized just how deeply the dogma of "free trade" had wormed it's way into society. That's when I understood that the same economists, who would start yammering about the commons problem when you suggested helping poor people with free stuff, were willfully blinding themselves to the commons problem of promising everybody freedom of navigation regardless of whether they invested in navies big enough to protect their own shipping.

That the same politicians talking about the need to subsidize, mandate and micromanage green energy, and in Europe imposes tariffs over climate change, were blinding themselves to how companies were exploiting free trade to get out of complying with even reasonable environmental protection to keep heavy metals out of our drinking water. Using free trade to get out of even those environmental protections is why we no longer have enough ship building or rare earth processing.

So it's a lot more on the failures of the broader media, political and business leader's to highlight what actually going on, then a failure on Trump's part. He and his administration have clearly and repeatedly made their case for resetting trade. Carney has even admitted this. It's just that he and the majority of Canadians have decided to cling to the false ideology of free trade, rather then work with Trump to reset their own trade agreements to better protect Canada's industries from being sold out from under them.

Hugh O.'s avatar

If oil is taken out of the equation, the U.S. runs a significant trade surplus with Canada. The policy intent of the tariffs is clear and President Trump freely admits that the intent is to de-industrialize Canada (autos, for example). Fair enough to target countries that are in unfair trade relationships with the U.S. Canada is not one of them. The U.S. trade policies are strengthening China and alienating its allies.

ban nock's avatar

Happy to trade with Canada, great folks, not happy to trade with China via Canada to evade Chinese import restrictions.

Daniel Archer's avatar

Trump is re-industrializing America. Contrary to popular belief, Canada has also watched it's industrial base get hollowed out by "free trade". Canada has largely dealt with that by copying America's housing bubble, which is now bursting. While also copying Europe attempts to cope by underfunding their military. Which has left Canada in a very weak state.

People just keep trying to ignore that globalization was already failing before Trump got elected the first time. We had already done deals that were supposed to get our NATO allies to boost their defense spending. You wouldn't think we would have to given that Russia invaded Georgia then went on to annex Crimea. Yet two months before Trump was re-elected, Germany was openly declaring that it wasn't going to spend any more of it's own money defending Ukraine.

You get the same over in Asia. China steals the reefs and territorial waters of it's neighbor and nothing happens. China then turns those reefs into military bases and nothing happens. Just like in Europe, no one is willing to cut off trade or jack up tariffs to stop a hostile power from taking what they want.

Once you get past all the dogma you've been sold on the magic of free trade, this is just another example of ignoring the commons problems created by trying to disconnect trade from mutual defense and the need to protect our environments and workers. In order to stop rewarding corrupt and irresponsible nations and go back to rewarding our domestic companies that invest in innovation and improving worker productivity, we have to reset trade relations with every body.

How this goes for Canada is up to them. It's pretty funny that while a majority are against joining the US, a plurality now support joining the EU. So rather then coming in as something like 12 states, getting 24 senators and probably double the number of representative, they would rather join the squabbling mess that is already unable to defend it's own back yard.

Karl's avatar

Hang in there Dan, modernity can be bracing. Like the technological and communication revolutions we’re currently experiencing, the Industrial Revolution (and earlier versions) were likewise unsettling to the masses, providing ample demagogic fodder for the charlatans of the day. Like Don, they too offered up simple “solutions”, silly slogans, and a whole lotta blame and scapegoating as they gaslit those left behind by a rapidly transforming economy. Brown people, foreigners, gays, etc, the list of “culprits“ unfortunately repeats. We see the same phenomenon throughout the developed world today. It’s politics 101 for craven politicians seeking power in transitional times.

There is plenty of legitimate debate to be had on new trade, tax, immigration, and other policies to help us adapt to a dramatically changed world. But hoping Don returns us to the halcyon days of the 80’s strikes me as a pipe dream. We manufacture more than we ever have. By a lot. But we employ far fewer people to do so. That inexorable trend will continue, unless Don repeals automation and the technological revolution… Don’s taco tariff policy conforms more closely to his daily gas pains than to any coherent plan. Hence his unwillingness to make anything permanent via legislation, his flip flopping on the agreement he initiated with Canada in his first term, his Lake America humiliation, on and on. Read his daily bleats and watch his public statements. Every word. Every day. Then reflect on his capacity to implement complex, long term economic policy.

The signature economic policy achievement of the “new” right/MAGA is the BBB. It’s their revealed preference, the only economic policy of consequence they’ve enshrined in law. It lined the pockets of Don’s fellow plutocrats, hammered the workin stiffs, and dramatically furthered Don’s record setting debt accumulation. All while Don distracted the masses with his constant demagoguery toward foreigners and brown people. Watch what politicians do, not what they say. Meanwhile, enjoy MAGA’s Middle East war. And keep the faith my friend, I love 80’s music, so I’m rootin for a lil time travel myself!

John Boronow's avatar

I am disappointed by the superficial discussion of the tariff negotiations. They are somewhat more complex...

The opinion you quoted frames the collapse of the 2026 U.S.–Canada tariff negotiations as fundamentally about China and Canada’s reluctance to align with Washington’s “collective perimeter.” That *is* one of the structural issues, but the reporting from multiple outlets shows that the **immediate sticking points in the failed talks were more concrete, sector‑specific, and in several cases unrelated to China**. The China‑alignment question is real, but it was not the proximate cause of the breakdown.

Below is a structured synthesis of what the sources indicate were the *actual* sticking points.

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## 🧭 Core Takeaway

The deal fell apart because of **last‑minute U.S. demands**, **Canadian resistance to terms seen as economically destructive**, and **internal U.S. turf battles**—with the most contentious issues involving **auto tariffs**, **truck exclusions**, **steel/aluminum quotas**, **dairy and alcohol market access**, and **retaliatory tariffs**.

China‑related perimeter rules are a long‑running strategic issue, but **not the decisive factor in the final hours** of the 2026 talks.

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## 🇺🇸🇨🇦 What the reporting shows were the *real* sticking points

### 1. **Auto Tariffs and Content Rules**

This was the single most important technical barrier.

- The U.S. was willing to reduce auto tariffs from **25% to 15%**. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-canada-trade-negotiators-meet-after-trump-sets-new-tariff-deadline-2026-08-19/)

- Canada pushed for **10%**, arguing 15% would still cripple Canadian auto manufacturing. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-canada-trade-negotiators-meet-after-trump-sets-new-tariff-deadline-2026-08-19/)

- The U.S. insisted that tariff deductions apply **only to U.S.-specific content**, not North American content. Canada wanted all NAFTA/USMCA-region content (Canada + Mexico + U.S.) to count. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/business/us-canada-try-bridge-gaps-over-potential-autos-tariff-cuts-sources-say-2026-08-17/)

- Industry officials said broader regional content rules could drop the effective tariff into **single digits**, which Canada viewed as essential for survival. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/business/us-canada-try-bridge-gaps-over-potential-autos-tariff-cuts-sources-say-2026-08-17/)

This dispute alone could have sunk the deal.

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### 2. **Exclusion of Medium and Heavy Trucks from Tariff Relief**

This was a last‑minute U.S. change that infuriated Ottawa.

- U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick pushed to **exclude medium- and heavy-duty trucks** from tariff relief. [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-trump-trade-talks-broke-down-9.7318903)

- Carney said this change happened “in the hours before the deadline,” reversing earlier progress. [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-trump-trade-talks-broke-down-9.7318903)

This was seen as a direct threat to Canada’s truck manufacturing sector.

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### 3. **Steel and Aluminum Tariffs and Quotas**

Another major sticking point.

- The U.S. proposed cutting steel/aluminum tariffs from **50% to 25%**, but only **within a quota** of ~4 million metric tons. Anything above that would revert to 50%. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-canada-trade-negotiators-meet-after-trump-sets-new-tariff-deadline-2026-08-19/)

- Canada feared this quota would “destroy” parts of its steel and aluminum industries. [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-trump-trade-talks-broke-down-9.7318903)

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### 4. **Canadian Retaliatory Tariffs and Provincial Alcohol Bans**

These were irritants that complicated the talks.

- Canada had retaliatory duties on U.S. autos and steel. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/business/us-canada-try-bridge-gaps-over-potential-autos-tariff-cuts-sources-say-2026-08-17/)

- Several Canadian provinces had removed American liquor from shelves, angering U.S. negotiators. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/business/us-canada-try-bridge-gaps-over-potential-autos-tariff-cuts-sources-say-2026-08-17/)

- Canada was willing to reverse these measures *if* the U.S. significantly lowered sectoral tariffs. [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-trump-trade-talks-broke-down-9.7318903)

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### 5. **Dairy Import Quotas**

A perennial U.S.–Canada trade fight.

- The U.S. complained about Canada’s allocation of dairy import quotas. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/business/us-canada-try-bridge-gaps-over-potential-autos-tariff-cuts-sources-say-2026-08-17/)

- Canada offered modest concessions but not enough to satisfy U.S. negotiators.

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### 6. **Internal U.S. Turf Wars**

This is underappreciated but clearly documented.

- Politico reports friction between USTR Jamieson Greer and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick over who controlled key parts of the deal. [Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/2026/08/22/us-canada-trade-deal-01046788)

- Lutnick’s intervention in the final hours—especially on trucks—was cited as a major reason the deal collapsed. [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-trump-trade-talks-broke-down-9.7318903)

This undermined the consistency of the U.S. negotiating position.

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### 7. **Canadian Sovereignty Concerns (including China policy)**

This *was* a background issue, but not the proximate cause of collapse.

- Politico notes Canada believed some U.S. demands threatened its sovereignty, including cultural provisions and restrictions on future trade agreements. [Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/2026/08/22/us-canada-trade-deal-01046788)

- This aligns with the opinion piece’s argument that the U.S. wants partners to adopt a common perimeter excluding China.

- But none of the major news outlets identify China‑related alignment as the decisive sticking point in the final 72 hours.

It is a **strategic issue**, not the **operational cause** of the failed deal.

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## 🧩 Why the opinion piece misidentifies the proximate cause

The author argues:

- The U.S. wants Canada to adopt a China‑exclusion perimeter.

- Canada resists because it values sovereign freedom to trade with others.

- Therefore, Canada “has no cards” and will eventually concede.

This is a **strategic framing**, not a description of the actual negotiation failure.

The reporting shows:

- The talks collapsed because of **sectoral tariff details**, **last‑minute U.S. changes**, **internal U.S. disagreements**, and **Canadian fears of industrial destruction**.

- China‑related alignment is real but **not the issue that caused the deal to fall apart on August 22–24, 2026**.

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## 📌 Summary Table: Real Sticking Points vs. Claimed Sticking Points

| Category | What the opinion claims | What reporting shows actually mattered |

|---------|--------------------------|----------------------------------------|

| Strategic alignment | Canada resisted U.S. China‑exclusion perimeter | True background issue, but not decisive in final hours |

| Auto tariffs | Not emphasized | Central dispute: tariff levels, content rules |

| Trucks | Not mentioned | Last‑minute U.S. exclusion of medium/heavy trucks |

| Steel/aluminum | Not mentioned | Quotas + tariff cuts seen as harmful to Canadian industry |

| Dairy/alcohol | Not mentioned | Active irritants in negotiations |

| Internal U.S. politics | Not mentioned | Documented turf war between USTR and Commerce |

| Canadian sovereignty | Mentioned broadly | Specifically tied to cultural provisions and future trade deals |

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## 🧠 Final Assessment

The opinion piece is correct that the U.S. is pushing allies toward a unified China‑related economic perimeter. But the **actual collapse** of the 2026 U.S.–Canada tariff talks was driven by:

- **Auto tariff content rules**

- **Truck tariff exclusions**

- **Steel/aluminum quotas**

- **Retaliatory tariffs and dairy/alcohol disputes**

- **Internal U.S. bureaucratic conflict**

- **Canadian fears of industrial destruction**

These are concrete, sector‑specific issues—not abstract geopolitical alignment.

jeff fultz's avatar

Carney doesn't matter, really. Canada always has and probably always will do what the "City of London" tells them to do. They are 1 of the 56 commonwealths that run themselves pretty much as the "city" dictates. Canada especially. Canada will do as they are directed by London. City of London has and still does make huge profits off of China so Canada will play the game as directed from the bankers and insurers of London. If not Carney, then someone else will replace him.

Richard, yes, he is a globalist concur. City of London are globalists and "free traders" (lol I love that word lol) max profits with no one in their way of making money at whatever costs. London needs their globalism and "free trade" stuff and commonwealths because all they really have is London finances, bankers, insurers - financiers. They have no real industry anymore, no real resources to speak of and their farmland is mediocre at best to support themselves. It's do or die with finance for them.

PulpitForTruth's avatar

Congress needs to investigate Brookfield’s relationship with the CCP. Canada’s equivalent of Blackstone is where Carney worked previously. They own the Colonial Pipeline.